Team Practice

Last full practice before the Border Battle - Event #3. I would like each of the players to come up with a suitable drill for practice - to include full instruction for the drill so it is easy to understand, you can make use of drawings or other physical aids to promote your drill. Saturday June 26,2010 11am -5pm. Lets get a 100% attendance for this practice.

Ill be there, but we aren't learning much at these practices, we need to practice against other teams.

At the level that ALL of our players are currently at, running drills is one of the best things for you guys to accelerate your game. I do agree that playing against other teams would be good. We do have an ongoing invite to practice with Joyceville & Oakville at Ground Zero. I am willing to go out to Ground Zero if that is what the teams want, however keep in mind that your practice cost will jump from $25.00 to almost $100.00 per person. As well keep in mind that if all you need to do to get better is practice with Joyceville then why after 2 yrs plus of practicing with Joyceville is the Oakville Kings team in 2nd last place & we are both in the top 5. Steve you have allot of great ideas but you are not working with a Joyceville calibre team.

I'll be there, and $100 per person I would never be able to do.

Having talked multiple times with JJ members, as long as it was an invite to practice the cost is only $60. If you plan on playing there just on a regular day with your friends, the price is extremely high, yes above 100$

Then factor in Time, Mileage & Food. Carpooling could help, but again the teams would have to agree 100%, as finances play a bigger part for some rather than others & I have to stand by my end of the bargain to ALL team members that, practice would be cheap!!!! Free field, paint under $30.00/case. I am not sure why you guys wouldn't spend more time & energy getting a team to join you for your practice. Most paintballers enjoy an inexpensive day of paintball. For Joyceville & even Oakville it is closer to go to Gananoque than it is to Codrington, which is why after the first couple of times they came out last year they haven't been back. For the money you would save, you could buy the other team their paint & then take them out to McDonalds for dinner & maybe even a movie at the Belleville movie theatre. With that kind of incentive you coule probably get some US teams to join you every week for practice.

More money spent = Better overall result in most cases. Not saying we need to go practice them to be sucessfull, but our practices mainly consist of snap shooting, random drills, and then the scrims. This is to repetitive, and won't help us in the long run, snap shooting and
2 vs 1's can only get you so far. Scrimming other teams would be super helpful as we will get to play the actual layout of E3, and its all around a better experience.

Oh and btw guys, Mike bought an Oil Slick PM7 w/critical trigger, and didnt even frigging tell us. trying to pull the wool over our eyes, not gunna work with me though.

michael you goon!

we did have one or two joyceville guys come to practice a couple of times last season..... that was alright
gary have you invited oakville/j-ville to practice? or are they already practicing at gz?
in any case we should invite some other cx4 teams to come down... i will never be able to afford a $100 practice

Snap Shooting & running & gunning are 2 of the most important basics of the game. Most of you need allot more practice in both these areas, repetition is a proven method of learning, though it tends to get somewhat boring. Drills which encourage players to keep their gun up, communication between the teams both on & off the field, loading & firing simultaneously etc. etc. etc. Some drills require more paint than others - once again directly affects the cost of practice. A team such as Joyceville uses probably double the paint that you guys use or more for some of their players. I do believe that from the beggining of the season you guys have been asked to research possible drills for the teams, I have had none presesnted to me to date. I have asked all of the team members to bring said drills to the next practice - I guess we will see who has enough energy & time to step up to something that will directly affect the quality of your practice time. We can debate the value of practicing with Joyceville on the actual field layout until we are blue in the face. I don't believe that you will find anyone to argue that it wouldn't be beneficial to the teams. But you could also argue just as effectively that if we shot double the paint during practice this would also be beneficial. My only argument against Ground Zero practices is that I firmly believe that attendance at practice would be even more sporadic. Since we are arguing! Who believes that we would advance as a team if some players practice at Ground Zero & the rest practice here due to cost. I personally would much rather the teams practice together as a team as much & as often as possible. WE CAN DREAM OF BIGGER & BETTER THINGS, BUT WHO IS FOOTING THE COST FOR THIS AMBITIOUS ENDEAVOUR. Lastly, I would like the teams to be able to practice against other competitive teams of the same or higher calibre. So just invite as many teams to as many practices as you possibly can. With the offer of cheap paint, free food & drink, should at least get you some takers. Another option would be to enter the team(s) into other tournament series.

Yeah I know that the more you do snap shooting makes you better at it, but how far does being an amazing snap shooter get you in a actual game? How far does knowing how to play a 2 vs 1 take you in a game? In my opinion it is mandatory for us to play the layout, practice multiple breakouts, shoot lanes. All of us have the skill to snap shoot, but we need to know where we are going on the field, where we are shooting, and where we are going later in the game. We need to stop working on individual player skills. We need to work on game plans, and team work.

Thats my 2 cents. If no one cares for my opinion, shall be it, no problem.

Your opinion is as important as anyones. So what drills have you come up with to further these skills. What plans have you drawn up based on the upcoming layouts. We may not have all of the correct bunkers to perfectly match the layouts, however with a little thought you should be able to come close. Talking about it doesn't change much. As far as where does the practices we are doing get you. Well last year it took 3 noobs & 2 semi-experienced players to 2nd place & so far this season it has taken 3 semi-experienced players & 2 noobs to 4th place after 2 events, especially considering we have played without one of our stronger players for both events. I assume that if Joyceville is doing all of these things at the practices & are playing the actual layout, then so is Oakville, who have 4 or 5 semi-experienced players most of whom have been playing together for 2-3 seasons. It seems that they aren't doing so well & never really have, though they probably don't spend much time on the basics, because like you guys they are already experts with the gun, so don't really need it. In the end Jeff, everything you say has merit, however you have failed to come up with a concrete solution to yours & Steves plan, which is to go & practice with Joyceville, but unless between the 2 of you, you are going to pay for everybody elses increased costs for practice ........... Any further posts on this subject should include concrete plans on how to further the goal you seek - not just wishful thinking & hopes & desires. Enough about what we aren't doing & more about what we are going to do.

should be their, and i have a few good drills i think would be beneficial.
"This is to repetitive, and won't help us in the long run, snap shooting and
2 vs 1's can only get you so far" practice makes perfect, and no one on our teams is perfect! if we can get down these down pat, we have a good chance of winning every game, even if its a 2 on 1 or their up a player.

Spencer wrote:

should be their, and i have a few good drills i think would be beneficial.
"This is to repetitive, and won't help us in the long run, snap shooting and
2 vs 1's can only get you so far" practice makes perfect, and no one on our teams is perfect! if we can get down these down pat, we have a good chance of winning every game, even if its a 2 on 1 or their up a player.

ya i know that spencer, but what if ppl only practiced 2 v 1, or only practiced snapping, i dont think anyone understands what im trying to say hear, so im just gunna stop.

Vanderspank wrote:

... i dont think anyone understands what im trying to say hear, so im just gunna stop.

dawt.
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Wow i missed a lot. Indeed I did buy an Oil Slick PM7, It will be here for next Event. I would love to practice with Joyceville and the rest of them, I think we would learn a lot, and improve our game. It's just even at $60, my $33 a week will not work for that.. Sorry for my lack of money (the pm7 is money that i have saved on top of my job, don't comment on that ) and no parental support -_-

As for the drills.. I'll try to come up with something creative.

Just so everyone understands me, what im trying to say is:

Our practices IMO are not helping one bit

Yes drills do help, and practice makes perfect, but snap shooting, and 2 v 1s don't win games single handedly. We need to play the layout atleast once or twice, while scrimming a more experienced team.

Its not like you can just train a team to be amazing gun fighters. How would they know how to close games? How would they know where to shoot their lanes? How would they know what to do on breakouts, where to go, and what route they are taking?

Our practices mainly consist of individual skill building. I can say all of us can do well in a match as it is. Sure we have breakdowns, but that is from faulty GAME PLANNING, NOT KNOWING THE ANGLES, and DOING THE WRONG THING AT THE WRONG TIME. Therefore a scrim on the E3 layout is more important than skill building at this moment in time.

Oh, and btw, drills would also be alot better to practice on the E3 field as we would be more comfortable playing the field at the events... because we actually know where we can get shot, and what we can shoot.

I think we do need to play more 4 on 4 matches. but also the 2 on ones are practicing closing the games, the 1 isn't intended to win, i think we need to work on a lot on running and gunning and communication. and before every event i always print a layout of the field and go through it with a ruler and pen, it helps a lot, but playing on the layout once would be nice.

i do believe gz is opening their field the friday evening before the next two events........
http://www.tdotballers.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=103729
if he's doing it before the last event we might be able to give it a try?......

I will call Marc & ask about it & we can discuss it this weekend when everyone is together. However it sounds to me that they are looking at running Xball scrims -CXBL/MXL as opposed to CX4, but I will ask him.

now i realize im not on the team per say... but i do have something to add... i believe snapshooting is one of the most important things to have down in cx4... in cx4 (semi auto) snap shooting and laning are your 2 most used skills (as a dorito/back player)... unless the other team gets-somewhere-and-you-have-to-go-get-them-because-they-will-destroy-your-team-if-you-dont, all you are doing is snap shooting, laning and reloading... with snake players its different, but any other position, in cx4, these are the things that should be repeated until you can beat rusty glaze at them...

brighamN wrote:

now i realize im not on the team per say... but i do have something to add... i believe snapshooting is one of the most important things to have down in cx4... in cx4 (semi auto) snap shooting and laning are your 2 most used skills (as a dorito/back player)... unless the other team gets-somewhere-and-you-have-to-go-get-them-because-they-will-destroy-your-team-if-you-dont, all you are doing is snap shooting, laning and reloading... with snake players its different, but any other position, in cx4, these are the things that should be repeated until you can beat rusty glaze at them...

Good points Brigham, but what im talking about is more of our team game, and playing the layout to be more succesful. I believe we can come first if we at least play the layout once or twice, im not guarenteeing anything, but i think we would have a better shot at first because we have experience with the layout.

Oh an E3 schedule is up, and remember to scroll down. (Michael /facepalm)

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However it sounds to me that they are looking at running Xball scrims -CXBL/MXL as opposed to CX4, but I will ask him.

that's what i thought too but he has like 50 fields so i thought we might be able play on one....
it says in the thing it's $20 byop which, since most of us are getting our pre-paid case of paint, would be the only cost to us
on top of whatever gas money or what not might be thrown in.....

if he's not doing it this event, we should see if he can do it next event, because that's the layout that really counts....

Marc got back to me right away & said that if we wanted we are locked in to practice on the Friday night & he will get 2 CX4 teams for us to play. At this point he is expecting us to be there. If we can't get everyone out I need to let him know ASAP so that he doesn't dissapoint the Eastern teams. We may have to leave here around 3pm -4pm on the Friday afternoon to be able to do this. Post up your availability.

Alright, sounds good to me. thanks.

Vanderspank wrote:

Alright, sounds good to me. thanks.

Is this for this event? If so im available for this aswell